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[personal profile] wildfirecatcafe 2023-02-26 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
☕ i think all of my fears are rational things like inevitable mortality, or bees

not that i should be *as* scared of bees as i am, but it's not totally irrational to fear them at all

🦋 It's also generally regarded as irrational to fear things which are inevitable...

☕ sure fine but that's not what the question was going for
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[personal profile] itsjustabaddream 2023-03-01 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Who says fearing the inevitable is irrational?

Personally, I think things that are inevitable are all the more frightening. Things you can avoid or prevent, there are steps you can take to make them less likely, or even impossible, and there's peace of mind that comes with that.

But death is coming. It cannot be stopped. Only delayed. There is a deep, primordial fear in that.

Ah, sorry, that was unexpectedly a bit dark, hahah.
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[personal profile] wildfirecatcafe 2023-03-01 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
🦋 That's one way of looking at it. On the other hand, if you can't do anything to prevent it, fear is just making your life more stressful to no benefit.

☕ we can't all be fully enlightened and in control of our own thoughts, Sasha
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[personal profile] itsjustabaddream 2023-03-08 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Fear is an instinct, bred into all thinking things to keep them alive. Just because it isn't rational doesn't mean it isn't natural.
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[personal profile] wildfirecatcafe 2023-03-10 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
🦋 Natural, absolutely. But not rational. Many natural things are

☕ don't mind Sasha here, they've only existed for a few years and haven't grown accustomed enough to living that they fear losing it

🦋 Perhaps it's time to take a break from the internet.


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🦋 "Mono no aware" is a phrase about observing the beauty in transient things. The prototypical example is a sunset, but I personally find a sandcastle to be much more illustrative. It's concerning how people are so terrified of transience that they attempt to impress permanence where it doesn't belong.
Edited (hey mintleaf try using the preview) 2023-03-10 00:11 (UTC)
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[personal profile] itsjustabaddream 2023-03-23 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
You must understand--- fear of death is a biological instinct, intended to encourage us to avoid it. Most of the body and mind's features are born of the most basic primal instinct of every living thing, which is to live. Therefore, the fear is rational, because it is practical, even if the effort is ultimately fruitless because all living things must die.

While I fully understand your logic and appreciate the poetry of it, the biological urges of living things to do things that will allow them to remain living will nearly always overtake more philosophical view when put to the test. A human faced with the potential of their own death, if asked to make a snap decision, will always choose to fight for their life first, even if it is hopeless, rather than spend their inevitable final moments appreciating the beauty of life in all its ephemerality. It is simply what living things are hard wired to do. And that urge to fight or to flee has actually saved many lives over the course of human history. Adrenaline can make people capable of doing remarkable things in order to to live, without even thinking.

Apologies for the essay, but I do enjoy thoughtful discussions like this.
Edited (Just adding a little more! ^^ Lol sorry Neil is having fun) 2023-03-23 11:16 (UTC)
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[personal profile] wildfirecatcafe 2023-05-08 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
🦋 It is an interesting discussion indeed, but I think we're looking at very different aspects of death. Of course it's rational to take steps to avoid an immediate danger, but that's not what Beatrix is so terrified of. It's *inevitable* death, the immutable fact that *one day* she will die, that keeps her up at night. And hell, at our age, that's the exact opposite of immediate.

☕ it could be even less immediate if science would hurry up and cure aging already :p

🦋 Given our current location, I think we can write that possibility off as a lost cause.

☕ i wonder if the outsider would let us wish for immortality with enough feathers

🦋 Are people even allowed to die in this place? It would be awfully convenient for you if death was banned entirely.